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 Post subject: HP Pavilion p6210y Cpu upgrade
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Scott, I can't for the life of me figure out if this pc is compatible with this cpu. If I had to guess I would say yes. However all the different models of AMD phenom confuse me.


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This guy had one with what looks like the same model CPU upgrade.


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It will depend on the chipset, socket and BIOS. I believe the first two are fine so in this case the BIOS is the last straw. I would check all of the BIOS versions to see what changes were made. In the end it may be somewhat of a gamble. Let me know what you find. Scott.


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Since the guy on eBay sold the same model pc with the same CPU, doesn't it stand to reason that it should work?. I mean maybe the guy on eBay was scamming people but I don't know. Looks like he has a good rating.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:26 pm 
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I can only find one bios update. It just seems to be a fix for the system hanging after a restart. However the bios update post dates the release of the cpu upgrade in question. So say if HP releases the bios update and leaves out programing that would allow newer cpu versions released after that board was manufactured, wouldn't that turn off potential HP customers?. Seems like a dumb move on their part.

Possibly there was an earlier bios update that included support for new processors, or support for newer processors was included in that update but not mentioned. Is it just HP's attitude that the general public is just too dumb to upgrade their pc, so anything of that nature is not mentioned on their support page?.


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I don't trust the "guy on eBay", let me know if the gamble pays off. Scott.


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Well I do have the 30 day return policy on my side. So maybe it's worth a try at least.


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Well I ordered it. I'll just make sure and save the box and packaging so I can ship it back if it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure it will though.


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The release date of the Hp Pavilion p6210y is August 25th 2009.

The release date of the Cpu that I'd be upgrading with is January 8th, 2009.

So the release of the computer actually post dates the release of the cpu I want to use to upgrade. So, in my opinion this computer should without question support this cpu. If not, well that just shows they are just interested in people purchasing new computers instead of upgrading them in a very short time period. Around a few days after purchasing and wanting to upgrade the cpu.

Is this the general way things work with these companies?. I guess, yet another reason to avoid pre-built pcs from the store.


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I remember back in 1992 spending $600 on a bare 486 DX2-66, then another couple hundred on sending it and the CPU daughter board from my IBM PS/2 P75 Portable to have the original 486-DX 33MHz chip removed and the DX2-66MHz chip soldered in its place. The original chip was soldered in place, and I had the DX2 directly resoldered instead of using a socket because with the tight confines of the briefcase sized portable the additional height would have prevented using an adequate heatsink. I can tell you my heart was racing when I turned on the switch waiting to see the the POST begin! I ended up using that system for another several years with it being twice as fast as it was originally. Scott.

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PS: Note that when the IBM PS/2 P75 Portable with a 400MB SCSI hard drive (model 8573-401) was introduced on 11/12/1990 it listed for $18,890, making it possibly the most expensive PC ever sold. The CPU daughter board cost over $6K as a replacement when I gambled with that upgrade.


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Damn. I guess this $65.99 isn't much of a gamble!. Plus the fact that I can easily get my money back within the 30 day return policy. That's an awesome story though Scott. I enjoy reading things like that.


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In 1991 IBM dropped the price on the P75 to around $12K and through a special program it offered systems for half price if you signed up as an OS/2 developer. I signed up as an OS/2 developer and ended up getting the system direct from IBM for ~6K, which was still the most expensive PC I ever bought. I ended up using it until 1996 when I changed from briefcase portables to laptops. Scott.


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Well, at least you got it for half price!. Very interesting Scott. Eagerly awaiting any new books from you. Next book, you should be doing a build in the video/dvd part again. Maybe an online place where you could log on and watch the videos, but only with a code you get from purchase of the book or something.


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I appreciate the suggestions. I would like to do another build video and have thought about putting it online vs. the DVD we've done in the past. Scott.


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Scott I will probably end up doing this upgrade today after I get the new SSD in and clone the current HDD to it. I'll let you know how things go with both upgrades.


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Having trouble getting the cpu cooler on...


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Scott I just notices this cooler uses a 4 pin. Should I still be able to use the 3 pin connection on the motherboard?


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I guess I can just use the old cooler.


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Or I could put it on off-set?


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I tried putting it in offset. It says CPU fan failed.


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Ok putting the old cooler back on. I'm letting the Artic clean stuff sit a little. There is still a little bit of old TIM that's on the old cooler. It's around the edge of the copper so like where the edge of cooler has contact. This older cooler isn't stock so it's much better anyway.


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Ok everything seems to be working fine now that the old thermaltake cooler is on there.


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So this worked!. Just like I knew it would!


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:11 pm 
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Scott, I was looking at coolers and I notice the older ones don't always have a rating for wattage. I remember asking you this question before because I saw a rating for wattage, which supposedly means the cooler can cool a cpu up to that wattage? So why do a lot of these coolers not even list that in the specifications.

I was trying to look up my old cooler which isn't a stock cooler and is bigger with copper and cooling pipes than the one that came with the "new" CPU I upgraded. I can't for the life of me find it and couldn't find a part number on the thing.

So with these older coolers for AM2 or AM2+ I have not seen a specification for this, or how high of a wattage cpu would the cooler cool.

Thoughts on this?. Why is it the older coolers and even some of the new ones don't even provide this type of specification?


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:22 pm 
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This cooler looks fun! I'd have to measure before I order it though.


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Kind of ridiculous use for an HP Pavilion just used for online facebook games and browsing the internet though. It seems to be the only cpu cooler I can find right now that will fit AM2+ socket motherboard and have a 3 pin connector with a TDP of 125W or higher.


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FatGuy wrote:
Why is it the older coolers and even some of the new ones don't even provide this type of specification?

Because it seems that many of them aren't designed and/or tested by true engineers. There seem to be many that are designed for for appearance than actual functionality. Scott.


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Isn't it extremely rare that my wife will actually reach the TDP of her new CPU while browsing the internet, playing facebook games and watching youtube videos?.

It would be nice if I could find a CPU cooler that does have the 125W TDP and 3 pin power connect, but the one I link was the only one I could find. Not sure if it would fit and it seems extreme for what I'd be using it for.


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Note that a 4-pin cooler can plug into a 3-pin socket, upon which it will work exactly as if it was a 3-pin cooler. Scott.


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The one that came with it didn't work right though. It gave me an error saying that the cpu fan failed and shut down.


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FatGuy wrote:
I tried putting it in offset. It says CPU fan failed.


This happened. It only goes on one way though since the connector is keyed.


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I will look for a different cooler but I just ordered two adapters just in case.

This site is awesome.Seems like a site you might like Scott, unless you already know about that site!


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Might be pretty dumb of me to order adapters if it's suppose to work when connecting to the motherboard cpu fan connector even though it's 3 pin. So it may just do the same thing when connected via the adapter...The adapter was only $9.99 and free shipping, but I purchased 2 just in case I mess one up. Plus I got a 10 percent of coupon code. So pretty good deal anyway. I could always use it for something else sometime anyway.


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Those adapters are unnecessary. The first 3 pins of a 4-pin fan match the pins on a 3-pin fan. With the 4-pin connector from the fan plugged properly into the 3-pin motherboard fan connector (with the extra pin hanging off one end) the correct 3-pins will be connected. Scott.


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Well I guess they will look pretty at least.


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I tried put on this Cooler today. It fits the case fine but there really isn't any way to attach it. The clips just don't fit correctly. Possibly might return it but if they charge me shipping and a restocking fee then I just might keep it.

Anyway I also tried putting the cooler on that came with the boxed processor. Still had the issue where it said, CPU fan failed. So I'm guessing the CPU fan is actually bad. I connected it this time with the adapter, so I know it was connected correctly.

So I went to uninstall the cooler. I took off the clips and tried to remove it and it wouldn't come off. I kept twisting it and pulling. Finally I got it, and guess what?. The Cpu was still attached to the bottom of the cooler!. It's like the little lock mechanism on the board wasn't fully engaged when I put the cpu in. I don't think I bent any pins, would think it would be pretty difficult to bend pins that way. Anyway I got the cpu back in the socket and it went it without any force...

What do you think Scott?.


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I find many aftermarket coolers are poorly engineered, especially regarding the attachment mechanism. I normally recommend the coolers included with "boxed" processors since those are engineered (or at least approved) by the company that made (and warrants) the processor. Scott.


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Well I also got a refund from Amazon, so I should be able to get a replacement and see how that works. What do you think about the locking mechanism on the motherboard not holding the cpu down?. Maybe I just had not pushed the little bar back in it's place or something?. Also what about the fan not working correctly?. It is a four pin connection and the motherboard cpu fan connector is 3 pin....So unless there is some setting in cmos setup that's not right than the CPU fan must be bad on that cooler correct?. I mean I could physically check but I'm sick of cleaning up and re-applying TIM!.


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It all sounds suspicious but I didn't see it in person so I cannot really comment. Scott.


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Well I just tested it. I put the CPU cooler on that the bios reports as "CPU fan failure" and I plugged it in with the side panel open. The cpu fan does run fine.


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The 3 pin thermaltake that I had in there works fine though.

The four pin one is black, red, yellow blue. With the black, red and yellow connected and blue is the one not connected.

The three pin is blue, red, black with all three connected of course.

So the difference here is the blue wire is not connected on the one that detects as "Cpu fan failure"


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I'm guessing the blue one detects RPM so having that one disconnected is giving me the fan failure notice.


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The third (green wire) pin is for the tachometer (speed) signal and is found on both 3- and 4-pin fans. The 4th (blue wire) pin is for speed control only on PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) 4-pin fans. 3-pin fans can be speed controlled but the control is more limited. PWM (4-pin) fans offer more precise speed control, but only when plugged into a 4-pin header. When you plug a 4-pin fan into a 3-pin header it should work as a 3-pin fan:

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I got the Zalman installed!


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Arghhh!. Photobucket!. I guess I'll have to choose a different service to get the pics up Scott!


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Ok so it's working all ok and everything now. No error messages. It was just a pain to install because I couldn't really see one of the "nubs" on the motherboard bracket because it was a tight fit. I ended up moving it around a bit and spreading the TIM a bit more to one side. I believe it'll be fine though. I'm not messing with it anymore at this point anyway. Gonna "leave well-enough alone"...


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It might look like it's touching the side of the case in the first picture but it is not. There is some room. So I'm guessing the CPU is actually fine. That cooler though, maybe something is just not wired correctly or something. So it could technically be "bad" and still spin. Maybe it was/is spinning with too much resistance. I'm happy I got the Zalman installed though.


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FatGuy wrote:
Ok so it's working all ok and everything now. No error messages...

That's good! I'm curious about what was causing the error messages. Scott.


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I would guess that that cpu fan was spinning too slow and the motherboard returns that error message when it reaches a certain low RPM. Maybe the actual fan was bad in the sense that blades weren't spinning as freely as it looked?. In other words there was resistance but you couldn't tell by looking at it spin.

Just guesses, you are the computer genius though.


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What was previously hindering the fan? For pics I recommend Postimage. Scott.


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Fan on previously installed Thermaltake aftermarket cooler with 3 pin connection worked fine. The fan on the new Zalman is a 3 pin and also works fine. It is/was the stock fan that came with my boxed Phenom II x4 920 with the 4 pin fan that caused the error message saying "Cpu fan failed" even though when I had the case open and looked the CPU fan was spinning on that cooler.

The only problem I had with the Zalman was that I didn't have the clips oriented correctly through the bottom of the cooler. Or something like that anyway. Once I the clip in correctly I had trouble with hooking each side on it's respective "nub" on the plastic bracket.

The manual doesn't really give too detailed explanation on installing it.


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Scott, I was looking at CPU Coolers today.

This one that I was looking at looks similar to what I have in there now but easier to install. However, if you look at that link the way the airflow works, it doesn't seem to make any sense. It sucks air in from both sides and then dissipates it from the fins from the top and bottom sides. What in the heck are they thinking?. How does that make any sense at all? With the Zalman the air is pulled from inside the case and off the cpu through the copper heat-pipes and out towards the exhaust fan of the pc. The thermaltake would fight with the airflow of my case and any case that has and exhaust fan. I don't understand. Yes the air in the case is going to be cooler than the CPU itself, but that's not an excuse for a just dumb design.


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On a quick glance that looks like another form over function design. Scott.


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Scott, some things I've been thinking about on this subject.

Zalman says on the Newegg.com "Overview" tab,
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The bundled adjustable fan speed controller (FAN MATE 2) enables manual fan speed adjustment ranging from 1,350rpm to 2600rpm and provides a silent mode and low-noise mode for an optimum balance between silence and performance.


However when I checked with speedfan, or speccy, or cpu-z the fan reads between 1214 and 1250 rpm. That keeps it about 43-45 C when wife is playing one or two flash games. I do not have the controller installed. I went looking for it and have no clue where I put it. Why would it run at lower than it's lowest rated RPM according to what I just referenced above?

Also the pc that it's installed on has Amd Cool n Quiet.

I remember when I first got the PC that I could change the settings for AMD Cool n' Quiet in the bios/cmos setup. However I updated the BIOS years ago and ever since those settings or anything related to Cool n' Quiet can no longer be found, and is no longer available.

So any thoughts on this Scott?. If I install the controller if I can find it or maybe order another one on-line, would that physically disable the bios from controlling the fan?. If so, would that work the same way with the rear case fan?. I know where the controller is for the rear fan. If I could get a new controller for the cpu fan this could solve some issues and possibly cool it down a bit.

Is "Cool N' Quiet" a possible culprit for the Cpu fan issues?. Would it explain why when I tried to use the stock 4 pin fan connection that it gave me the fan error saying "Cpu fan failure", even though the fan was spinning?. Seems that it could explain that especially because when "Cool 'N Quiet" settings were available in the cmos you could set a threshold....


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Just noticed her pc fans blaring. She is playing "My Hospital" via plinga site. Cpu is at between 70-71% according to performance tab in task manager. The Phenom is at 44 C. Cpu fan at around 2400rpm and rear fan is at 2700-2800rpm. The Graphics card is between 48-50 C.

Left it alone for around 5 minutes and rpm for cpu went down to 1211 rpm and for rear fan went down to 1186. Except now the CPU temp is up to 52 C.

The section in Speccy under "motherboard" says the temp is 48 it says "Motherboard" on the heading and reads "Pegatron Corporation Violet (Cpu 1) 49 C". I believe this is just the same the thing as the cpu temp. Not sure.

The only thing that's cool is the hard drive which is reading at 34 C.

Fans have been low now for 25-30 minutes and cpu temps still 51-53 C......


Just thought I'd let you know what goes on and some details about it. So now that you have this info, is there anything you can elaborate on as far as keeping the system from going nuts like this again and getting so hot just play silly flash games?. I didn't think a quad core cpu like the Amd Phenom would go up to 77% just with so little actual work. Sure maybe there are software issues with that particular game or something....However, shouldn't her graphics card take over most of the work and put less stress on the cpu?.


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If the noise is bothersome I might try to reduce the fan speed in the BIOS Setup. This would allow the CPU to run hotter but as long as it doesn't begin throttling down then that should be fine. Scott.


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Not bothersome if it is constant, just annoying if it comes on all of a sudden. I finally found through google a way to get into the settings for that in cmos. One thing I notice is cmos reports "Chipset" temperature hovering between 88-89 C. Should I be worried something is gonna burn up at that temp?. I mean that's almost boiling!.


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Those chips are designed to run hot. As long as the system isn't crashing, locking up or throttling down you should be fine. Scott.


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I got the CPU to run much cooler by keeping the fan speed at constant highest RPMS and also in power options switching to "power saver". I had it set to "high performance" and on that old computer than kept the cpu speed at the the highest clock speed constantly instead of having it vary by load/work.

Scott, what is strange though is that on my other pc I have it set for "High Performance" in power plan settings and the speed still varies. I know because I check the "core speed" with CPU-Z. Does how the computer react to these settings just vary with the type of cpu? The Cpu for the one that still varies is an Intel Core i5 750....The Cpu where it stays constant highest clock speed is the CPU I mentioned earlier in this thread -AMD HDX920XCGIBOX Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz Cache 8MB AM2+ 125W Processor - Retail. Of course both systems have different bios and everything else is different.


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I find speccy seems more accurate as far as CPU temp than speedfan.


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FatGuy wrote:
...Does how the computer react to these settings just vary with the type of cpu?

Yes indeed, different CPUs have different specs, especially in relation to things like "Turbo Boost Technology" or other speed related specifications and features. Scott.


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Thanks again Scott!. Looking forward to your new book. Will it be this year or is it a bit more far off at this point?.


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So far it seems to be a bit further off. I'll say more when I can. Scott.


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