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 Post subject: HP Pavilion p6210y Cpu upgrade
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Scott, I can't for the life of me figure out if this pc is compatible with this cpu. If I had to guess I would say yes. However all the different models of AMD phenom confuse me.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:31 pm 
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This guy had one with what looks like the same model CPU upgrade.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:26 pm 
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It will depend on the chipset, socket and BIOS. I believe the first two are fine so in this case the BIOS is the last straw. I would check all of the BIOS versions to see what changes were made. In the end it may be somewhat of a gamble. Let me know what you find. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:34 pm 
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Since the guy on eBay sold the same model pc with the same CPU, doesn't it stand to reason that it should work?. I mean maybe the guy on eBay was scamming people but I don't know. Looks like he has a good rating.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:26 pm 
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I can only find one bios update. It just seems to be a fix for the system hanging after a restart. However the bios update post dates the release of the cpu upgrade in question. So say if HP releases the bios update and leaves out programing that would allow newer cpu versions released after that board was manufactured, wouldn't that turn off potential HP customers?. Seems like a dumb move on their part.

Possibly there was an earlier bios update that included support for new processors, or support for newer processors was included in that update but not mentioned. Is it just HP's attitude that the general public is just too dumb to upgrade their pc, so anything of that nature is not mentioned on their support page?.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:31 pm 
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I don't trust the "guy on eBay", let me know if the gamble pays off. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 am 
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Well I do have the 30 day return policy on my side. So maybe it's worth a try at least.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:36 pm 
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Well I ordered it. I'll just make sure and save the box and packaging so I can ship it back if it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure it will though.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:18 pm 
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The release date of the Hp Pavilion p6210y is August 25th 2009.

The release date of the Cpu that I'd be upgrading with is January 8th, 2009.

So the release of the computer actually post dates the release of the cpu I want to use to upgrade. So, in my opinion this computer should without question support this cpu. If not, well that just shows they are just interested in people purchasing new computers instead of upgrading them in a very short time period. Around a few days after purchasing and wanting to upgrade the cpu.

Is this the general way things work with these companies?. I guess, yet another reason to avoid pre-built pcs from the store.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:35 pm 
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I remember back in 1992 spending $600 on a bare 486 DX2-66, then another couple hundred on sending it and the CPU daughter board from my IBM PS/2 P75 Portable to have the original 486-DX 33MHz chip removed and the DX2-66MHz chip soldered in its place. The original chip was soldered in place, and I had the DX2 directly resoldered instead of using a socket because with the tight confines of the briefcase sized portable the additional height would have prevented using an adequate heatsink. I can tell you my heart was racing when I turned on the switch waiting to see the the POST begin! I ended up using that system for another several years with it being twice as fast as it was originally. Scott.

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PS: Note that when the IBM PS/2 P75 Portable with a 400MB SCSI hard drive (model 8573-401) was introduced on 11/12/1990 it listed for $18,890, making it possibly the most expensive PC ever sold. The CPU daughter board cost over $6K as a replacement when I gambled with that upgrade.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:25 pm 
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Damn. I guess this $65.99 isn't much of a gamble!. Plus the fact that I can easily get my money back within the 30 day return policy. That's an awesome story though Scott. I enjoy reading things like that.


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In 1991 IBM dropped the price on the P75 to around $12K and through a special program it offered systems for half price if you signed up as an OS/2 developer. I signed up as an OS/2 developer and ended up getting the system direct from IBM for ~6K, which was still the most expensive PC I ever bought. I ended up using it until 1996 when I changed from briefcase portables to laptops. Scott.


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Well, at least you got it for half price!. Very interesting Scott. Eagerly awaiting any new books from you. Next book, you should be doing a build in the video/dvd part again. Maybe an online place where you could log on and watch the videos, but only with a code you get from purchase of the book or something.


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I appreciate the suggestions. I would like to do another build video and have thought about putting it online vs. the DVD we've done in the past. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:44 pm 
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Scott I will probably end up doing this upgrade today after I get the new SSD in and clone the current HDD to it. I'll let you know how things go with both upgrades.


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:21 pm 
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Having trouble getting the cpu cooler on...


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:26 pm 
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Scott I just notices this cooler uses a 4 pin. Should I still be able to use the 3 pin connection on the motherboard?


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:30 pm 
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I guess I can just use the old cooler.


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:49 pm 
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Or I could put it on off-set?


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:10 pm 
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I tried putting it in offset. It says CPU fan failed.


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Ok putting the old cooler back on. I'm letting the Artic clean stuff sit a little. There is still a little bit of old TIM that's on the old cooler. It's around the edge of the copper so like where the edge of cooler has contact. This older cooler isn't stock so it's much better anyway.


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:52 pm 
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Ok everything seems to be working fine now that the old thermaltake cooler is on there.


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:12 pm 
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So this worked!. Just like I knew it would!


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:11 pm 
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Scott, I was looking at coolers and I notice the older ones don't always have a rating for wattage. I remember asking you this question before because I saw a rating for wattage, which supposedly means the cooler can cool a cpu up to that wattage? So why do a lot of these coolers not even list that in the specifications.

I was trying to look up my old cooler which isn't a stock cooler and is bigger with copper and cooling pipes than the one that came with the "new" CPU I upgraded. I can't for the life of me find it and couldn't find a part number on the thing.

So with these older coolers for AM2 or AM2+ I have not seen a specification for this, or how high of a wattage cpu would the cooler cool.

Thoughts on this?. Why is it the older coolers and even some of the new ones don't even provide this type of specification?


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:22 pm 
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This cooler looks fun! I'd have to measure before I order it though.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Kind of ridiculous use for an HP Pavilion just used for online facebook games and browsing the internet though. It seems to be the only cpu cooler I can find right now that will fit AM2+ socket motherboard and have a 3 pin connector with a TDP of 125W or higher.


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FatGuy wrote:
Why is it the older coolers and even some of the new ones don't even provide this type of specification?

Because it seems that many of them aren't designed and/or tested by true engineers. There seem to be many that are designed for for appearance than actual functionality. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:05 pm 
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Isn't it extremely rare that my wife will actually reach the TDP of her new CPU while browsing the internet, playing facebook games and watching youtube videos?.

It would be nice if I could find a CPU cooler that does have the 125W TDP and 3 pin power connect, but the one I link was the only one I could find. Not sure if it would fit and it seems extreme for what I'd be using it for.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:58 pm 
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Note that a 4-pin cooler can plug into a 3-pin socket, upon which it will work exactly as if it was a 3-pin cooler. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:44 pm 
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The one that came with it didn't work right though. It gave me an error saying that the cpu fan failed and shut down.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:37 pm 
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FatGuy wrote:
I tried putting it in offset. It says CPU fan failed.


This happened. It only goes on one way though since the connector is keyed.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:03 pm 
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I will look for a different cooler but I just ordered two adapters just in case.

This site is awesome.Seems like a site you might like Scott, unless you already know about that site!


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:21 pm 
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Might be pretty dumb of me to order adapters if it's suppose to work when connecting to the motherboard cpu fan connector even though it's 3 pin. So it may just do the same thing when connected via the adapter...The adapter was only $9.99 and free shipping, but I purchased 2 just in case I mess one up. Plus I got a 10 percent of coupon code. So pretty good deal anyway. I could always use it for something else sometime anyway.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:49 pm 
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Those adapters are unnecessary. The first 3 pins of a 4-pin fan match the pins on a 3-pin fan. With the 4-pin connector from the fan plugged properly into the 3-pin motherboard fan connector (with the extra pin hanging off one end) the correct 3-pins will be connected. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:15 pm 
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Well I guess they will look pretty at least.


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