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 Post subject: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:27 pm 
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Scott what do you think of using Intel's Optane Technology paired with One of these instead of spending the money on a Nvme SSD.

I added it up and it'd be $132.99 for that drive plus a 32GB Intel Optane. Plus I'd get double the space with 1TB SSHD compared to getting a 500 GB Nvme SSD. Normally they are around $230 so a $100 savings.

I don't know if that's really worth it though because this pc would be for the wife and neither of us use much space on hard drives, so speed and responsiveness is more important. However I don't know how close in speed to a traditional Nvme ssd this setup would yield.

What do you think? Have you seen any comparison?.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:41 am 
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It is only slightly faster than a standard HDD. An SSD would be about 4 or 5 times faster yet. I recommend using an SSD because it will perform much better and you said you don't need that much storage space. I only recommend hybrid drives if you can't find or afford an SSD with enough storage capacity to meet your needs. Scott.


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 Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:41 pm 
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Yes but what about with the Intel Optane "Ram" or cache?. Does that make a significant difference?.


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 Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:51 pm 
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It turns standard drives into "hybrid" drives. An SSD would be much better. Scott.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:51 pm 
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List of parts for wifes new pc.

MSI H270M MORTAR ARCTIC LGA 1151 Intel H270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard. Purchased this today, because I just can't trust the Gigabyte board I got back from my RMA.

Gonna use a PSU I already have.

Fractal Design Focus G Mini Black MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Received

Ram I'll used Kingston Valueram- 1 stick price varies. Just starting with one stick.

SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E500BW - Still need to purchase

Thermaltake Riing Silent 12 Blue LED 150W Intel/AMD 120mm CPU Cooler CL-P022-AL12BU-A Still have to purchase.

Windows 10 Pro 64 bit- $143.99

I've got the CPU from my "old"(purchased last year) board so that's taken care of.

Around $687.36 left to spend to get all that. I've included $140 for Win 10 Pro 64 bit plus the cost of the parts above. Not including the motherboard since it's already purchased today. Hopefully I can get some good deals on the parts. I know it's supposedly better to purchase all at once, but I purchase things one or two parts at a time because that's how I can afford to do it. The most expensive will be the SSD and the ram with the PSU not far behind.

Wish I could use the motherboard I already have that I got back from Gigabyte, but based on my experience with them I just can not trust it. Gigabyte is the absolute worst for customer service and RMA experience. I was going to use that board and was gonna order a new I/O shield. I emailed them and they wanted me to fill out a form with my credit card information and send it back to them via email so they could charge my card. Seriously?. Who is gonna be so dumb?. I said no and they said ok you can just fill out your name and address and then call us to place the order. I called and they said they don't accept credit cards over the phone and that I can fill out the form and then send a money order to the via snail mail. Yeah, no thanks!. Already told you my RMA story so you know the rest.....Gigabyte- never again.

Still have to purchase the OS. Gonna wait till after all regular parts are purchased.

Right now the one stick of Ram + Samsung 970 evo will cost $356.99 total. Next purchase is the 970 SSD evo from Samsung. I might order the cooler also just so I can mount the cpu and cooler to the board, put the SSD in and then put the board in the case. That way I'll only have the 1 Ram stick to complete the build and will only need the OS. Later down the road I'll upgrade it with another 16GB stick for a total of 32GB.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Scott, on The case I'm using it says,

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Front: 2 x 120mm / 140mm (2 x Fractal Design Silent Series LL 120 mm White LED Included)

Top: 2 x 120mm / 140mm with filter

Bottom: 1 x 120mm / 140mm with filter (requires removal/relocation of HDD cage)

Rear: 1 x 120mm
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On Fractal design site it says,
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Front fan 2x 120 or 1x 140 2x Silent Series LL 120mm LED fans included


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Rear fan 1x 120

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Now I remember a rule I'm pretty sure I learned from you or your books. I always go by, as long as you have more air exhausting out than coming in than your fine. Not sure I would need any front fans but I kind of want one because there will be video card in this case so I figure the air intake from the front will help cool it off a bit. The thing is one rear 120mm fan isn't going to move more air than than 2 120mm fans, or 1 140mm fan. So I'm kind of confused at what to do.

I guess I could just get a single 120mm fan for the rear. There will not be much in the case at all. Only the Samsung 970 evo SSD for storage devices. Plus,this video card

I am not bothering with an optical drive this time.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:57 pm 
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Maybe I'm remembering things wrong?. Bringing more air in than you exhaust just doesn't seem right to me though. There are vents on the top and bottom of the case though so maybe the old rules that I seem to have remembered don't apply today?.

Give me some advice here. I don't like using 3 pin fans though on motherboards that can use 4 pin PWM fans.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:28 pm 
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FatGuy wrote:
Now I remember a rule I'm pretty sure I learned from you or your books. I always go by, as long as you have more air exhausting out than coming in than your fine. Not sure I would need any front fans but I kind of want one because there will be video card in this case so I figure the air intake from the front will help cool it off a bit. The thing is one rear 120mm fan isn't going to move more air than than 2 120mm fans, or 1 140mm fan. So I'm kind of confused at what to do.

In general you want the case to be depressurized, which means more/larger fans exhausting than intaking. With more/larger fans exhausting in the rear a single/smaller front fan is fine but generally unnecessary unless there is a specific hot spot that needs the additional airflow (such as a tightly packed drive cage with multiple drives). In most cases adding a front fan does nothing more than create unwanted noise. Scott.


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 Post subject: Re: Intel Optane Technology(New PC build for wife)
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:38 pm 
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Excellent. Thanks for the help Scott. I've got to remember that!. This case won't have anything in the drive bays at all. The only drive will be the Samsung 970 evo nvme SSD. Otherwise just the ram, cpu, and video card will be attached to the board. I guess I forget the CPU cooler which also has a fan that will be blowing air out the back. However I don't believe the airflow will have any air blowing directly on the video card. Then again the case will be practically empty so lots of air circulation regardless.

Thanks again!. Should have everything up and built within 2 months from now on my wifes new pc.


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