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 Post Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:58 pm 
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I have a Windows XP Pro SP2 CD-ROM. If I boot up from the CD-ROM on my T61 ThinkPad, and run a repair of the XP Pro SP2 install on the laptop, will I encounter any issues due to customization by Lenovo, or should I encounter no problems? I can't see a way to repair the Windows install via the restoration partition without completely wiping the entire drive back to its factory state. The 16-bit subsystem is down due the mess uninstalling Symantec Internet Security left behind, and there are clicks and stutter skips during audio playback of MP3s, which seems to be sometimes triggerable by screen activity, such as scrolling and minimizing/maximizing windows. Thanks.


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If you do an "in-place upgrade (reinstallation)", then all of your applications and GUI mode drivers should remain intact. However you might run into problems with text mode drivers, specifically those for the Intel SATA host adapter in AHCI (Advanced Host Controller Interface) mode.

How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341

Note in the above article where it states "If your computer requires a third-party mass storage device driver or HAL, make sure that you have a copy of the files on a floppy disk before you perform a repair or in-place upgrade."

That's because the drivers you require are not present in standard WinXP installation, and because you don't have a floppy drive conncted to a standard floppy controller, you won't be able to use the F6 method to install them. You can use a USB floppy drive, but only if you have one of the 3 "golden" USB floppy drives, many of which were discontinued long ago:

A connected USB floppy disk drive does not work when you press F6 to install mass storage drivers during the Windows XP installation process
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916196

If you don't have one of these USB floppy drives, then you will need to create installation media with the SATA AHCI drivers integrated.

Another option is to reset the SATA controller in the BIOS Setup from AHCI to compatibility (legacy IDE/ATA) mode. Normally if you change from compatibility to AHCI mode after Windows is installed the system will bluescreen due to the lack of GUI mode AHCI drivers, you should be able to do that since those drivers are already installed on your system.

The easiest way to create the media is to copy the installation source (Windows XP install CD contents) to a temporary folder on your hard drive, then use the DriverPacks http://driverpacks.net to integrate the MassStorage drivers, then use nLite http://nliteos.com to burn the source files back to a bootable CD.

In the end you might find it simpler and easier to just do a product recovery, then reinstall your applications and backup data.

Let me know what approach you take and how it works out, Scott.


Last edited by Scott on Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Well, thankfully, I do have a golden floppy USB drive, the "TEAC; IBM option part number 27L4226, FRU 05K9283." So now I just need to figure out how you get the drivers onto the floppy, assuming I won't run into any other problems.


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In that case just download the "32-bit Floppy Configuration Utility for Intel Matrix Storage Manager", which will create the F6 floppy disk with the text mode SATA AHCI drivers: http://tinyurl.com/yu7xoc

Let me know how the installation goes, Scott.


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Now I'm confused. The IBM floppy drive is P/N 27L4226, P/N 05K9283. When I plugged it into the laptop, it IDs as a "Mitsumi USB FDD 061M US Device" under Device Manager. The floppy drive label on the bottom says "TEAC Corporation Model No. FD-05PUB." Does TEAC = Mitsumi? How can I acquire the "Plug and Play ID?" I don't see it under "Device Manger > Floppy disk drives > Details."


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As it states in the KB916196 article I referenced above, the "F6" textmode storage driver load procedure in Windows XP will work with only 3 *specific* USB floppy drives, which I have referred to as "golden".

To determine if you have one of the 3 supported drives, first plug the drive into the system. If this is the first time you are connecting it, then wait for the drivers to install (automatic under XP or Vista). Then open the Device Manager and locate the entry for the USB Floppy drive under Universal Serial Bus controllers. Right click on the entry and select Properties, choose the Details tab and change the displayed selection to Hardware IDs. Note the 2nd ID listed, which is the Vendor ID (VID) and Product ID (PID) minus the revision data.

If the ID listed for your drive doesn't match one of the 3 specific supported IDs, then you are unfortunately out of luck. The 3 supported drive IDs are:

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                       VID   VID   Vendor            Drive
USB ID                 hex   dec   Name              Model(s)
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USB\VID_03EE&PID_6901  03EE  1006  Mitsumi           D353FUE
USB\VID_057B&PID_0000  057B  1403  Y-E Data, Inc.    YD-8U10
USB\VID_0644&PID_0000  0644  1604  TEAC Corporation  FD-05PUB

Mitsumi D353FUE: http://www.mitsumi.com/products/fuefloppy.html
Y-E Data, Inc. YD-8U10: http://www.yedata.com/multi/4xslim.html
TEAC Corporation FD-05PUB: http://www.teac.com/DSPD/black_usb_floppy_drive.html

The official Company List of current USB VIDs (decimal) and their associated companies can be downloaded from the USB Implementers Forum: http://www.usb.org/developers/tools

Note that the external label or marketing name on a USB FDD has little or no bearing on the actual drive contained inside. There are only a few USB floppy drive manufacturers (Toshiba and IBM are *not* among them), while many companies resell or market other mfrs. drives. For example, I have a Toshiba USB drive Model No. PA3109U-1FDD that I purchased back in 2001, which is really a TEAC FD-05PUB with USB ID VID_0644&PID_0000. I also have a no-name "USB Portable Diskette Drive" that I purchased from NewEgg as a "Sabrent" drive, which is really a Mitsumi D353FUE with USB ID VID_03EE&PID_6901: http://tinyurl.com/36nz98 And according to IBM, if you get IBM Option kit part number 05K9276, you will actually be getting one of either the Y-E Data (incorrectly listed as Sony) or TEAC supported drives: http://tinyurl.com/yumnmv

I also have a Sony MPF82E, which was in fact made by Sony with a USB ID of USB\VID_054C&PID_002C. From what I can tell by looking at the drivers for Sony's USB floppy drives, *all* Sony USB floppy drives carry this ID. Unfortunately this ID is *not* one of the 3 supported.

From your observation, the IBM option part number 27L4226 or FRU 05K9283 you possess came with a Mitsumi drive *labeled* as a TEAC FD-05PUB? That is very strange, but I guess I've seen stranger things where marketing and reselling are concerned. <g>

In order to verify, please let me know the USB ID of your "IBM" floppy drive. For the sake of research and curiosity I'd also be interested in the details as to where you purchased it and when, under what IBM part number, and exactly what specific markings appear on the drive. Scott.


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The second "Hardware ID" reads as:

USB\Vid_03ee&Pid_6901

I've looked through my main receipts folder, both physical and e-mail folder, I can't find the receipt for the floppy drive. If I come across it, I'll post where and when it was purchased. It was purchased a few years ago, I think.

Drive label on bottom says:

IBM USB Portable Diskette Drive
ASM P/N: 27L4226
FRU P/N: 05K9283 5V(lines indicating DC)500mA

Registered trademark blurb, made for IBM Corp, FCC, VCI, etc. labels

TEAC CORPORATION MODEL NO. FD-05PUB Made in Malaysia
P/N 19308801-19 S/N Z179375

*bar code*
* 11S27L46Z1Z49Z179375 * 0506 C03 (asterisks on this line present on the label)


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Interesting. Despite what's written on the outside, what's inside the enclosure is a Mitsumi D353FUE. That's OK, since that is one of the 3 "golden" drives.

Let me know how the reinstallation goes. Scott.


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